and reblued it, PRO-BONO!!! Reliability: * * * * * On the negative side, the aluminum slide means the pistol is quite a bit lighter in weight than the centerfire ones, and being a firearm means it cant simply ship to your door like a conversion kit can. Not sure what they are talking about, or they are overly picky. Below mentioned are the causes and solutions of this problem. Really how hard is it to remove the magazine, confirm the chamber is empty (visually and tactically), and point in a safe direction and pull the trigger? If I had to choose between the PPQ and the VP9 I would take the PPQ every time. Walther does make an extended 17-round magazine, but I have yet to attain one and test it out for myself. Ergonomics: * ** * Well, I thought this was going to be a good battle, turns out the 2nd Walther PPQ started doing the exact same thing as the 1st one did. I had a new Steyer start behaving oddly at the range. The Walther PPQ . The sights, trigger, grip are a grand slam. Did Walther succeed and raise the bar yet again? I'm 6'0 tall, and weigh 150 lbs. I usually carry a G30S, but sub in the PPQ occasionally, since it fits my 30S holsters very well and draws about the same to first pair. I wish they kept the old paddle release, I love that thing. I was definitely pleased to see this PPQ run everything. The trigger is the finest ever on a polymer, striker-fired handgun. i had a 20 year old mk2 10 bull that was rusty, and the frame to reciever fit was sloppy, and they fixed it (repalced lower?) Recommend to clean the gun every 300 rds. But. Despite being a complete gun, with a street price of like $310 to $340 the PPQ .22 is actually less expensive than many conversion kits. This pistol, in various forms (mostly without the lighter trigger) is the most common police pistol today across northern Europe. Manipulating the firearm is very easy and folks with minimal hand strength would have no issues. Barrel Length:Available in 4, 4 + thread adapter, or 5 with long slide. Failure to Feed or go into battery at all, with Winchester white box 115g ball after 300 rounds or so. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. The magazine release is also handy; Walther switched from the paddle release in order to appeal to the American shooting market, and by all means I feel they made the right choice. Question of the Day: Do You Know Any Fudds? Definitely the Walther grip is my favorite of all the pistols I have ever held. walther pps m2 recall. Pulling the trigger is not a big deal. I'll double check the Walther forum. It has a molded polymer receiver and . Dirty pistol: Yet another reason for this malfunction is a dirty pistol. Every person is different, so thats why the PPQ comes with three different backstraps. Ive been using the 40 grain copper plated Remington golden bullets and the Federal automatch stuff does well. ; Bang Pull the trigger. Its all going to come down to trigger really. Another nice touch, although not unique to this pistol, is a steel pin inserted into the back of the slide lock notch. For long-term durability a steel breech block, containing the firing pin mechanism, extractor, breech face, etc is pinned into the slide. (I never tried mini mags, I assume those would work well, too.). $34.99 . Tastes like strawberry. Good review. I personally do not want to own a firearm from a Company that will not stand behind their product. Deformed parts: One cause is that the magazine or pistol is broken, the slide stop lever is broken, or the magazine tube is deformed. PPQ M2 4-INCH 9MM Field Test. The same adapter fits the PPK/S (which I also checked out a while ago). Its run great for over 10k rds. The 4-inch PPQ M2 barrel will fit in both frame sizes, but only when mated to 4-inch slides. My bet is that there are discussions elsewhere about this and would like to know myself. The solution is to replace the ammunition. I purchased an additional 15-round magazine for $42, and from what Ive found, they sell for roughly the same price around the country. Joe and I both really enjoyed Walthers PPQ M2 5 in 9mm. Put Trijicon Orange Dot HD night sights and a Crimson Trace green Railmaster Pro, and you have the Ultimate Home Defense rig. I had a choice of the M1 or M2. Mentioned below are its causes and solutions. I agree with the description of the grip. Below are the causes of this problem and their solutions. This video covers everything you need to know to problem solve and maintain your Walther PPQ. .22 pistols are known for being finicky. If any of the two is defective, replace it. Criteria and Considerations for Reviewing the Walther PPQ M2 4-inch 9mm. Average 5-shot group size is 1.77 inches. Improper hand placement: Again, this is a common cause when the individual bumps the slide stop up with their thumb while firing and locks the slide to the rear prematurely. Wife shoots PPQ-M2 9mm 4" in IDPA and it has not given her any problems in many 1000s of rounds. threaded barrel. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The full-size Walther PDP frame offers an eyebrow-raising 18+1 rounds on tap, making the grip too long to accommodate shorter PPQ mags. The pull is so light and smooth at only 5.6 pounds, with a .1-inch reset (awesome!) And apparently this gun is actually manufactured by Walther, and not by Umarex. Almost everyone that Ive heard complain about not being able to use the paddle style releases indicate that they cannot reach it well with their thumb. I for one am a huge fan of the DA/SA striker on the gun with the ability to decock and carry one in the pipe. People develop the bad habit of registering their finger on the trigger in the mistaken belief that the little do-hickey is safety.. You never do that. Squib load: You need to clear your barrel to get rid of squib load. How can someone dry fire safely but not follow a safe empty the gun procedure for cleaning. Sorry to throw water on the above comments, but I purchased my PPQ 22LR 4 yesterday, cleaned it (watched the video to be sure I did it right) then took it to the range. I love the paddle release. Trust me, with this kind of trigger travel, you cant only shoot the PPQ fast, you can shoot it accurately too. This new PPS M2 also has front cocking serrations and as mentioned a quick-response trigger. It will go nicely with my laser engraved Spectre take-down pins, Totally agree. Replacing the ammunition is the fix to this problem. Limp wristing: The solution is to have a proper grip on the gun, ensuring that your hand is up high on the beavertail. So I suppose the ability to handle the front-weight without feeling to unbalanced would be preferable. I sent the pistol back, they fixed it. I have shot both and the M2 magazine release looks and feels like it was an afterthough. Anyway, I like the PPQ, and I like the P7 the CCP copies (poorly). Your PPQ will serve you well for years! This, coupled with the comfortable grip, means that I am in full control of this pistol when firing. Glock 19 now sits in the safe. The PPQ also has a trigger safety and internal safeties as well as a loaded chamber indicator, an oversize magazine release that can be reversed for left-handed operation and of particular interest where performance is concerned, Walther's Quick Defense Trigger, a super smooth squeezing trigger with a light 5.6-pound trigger pull (mine actually fired at just under that), less than a half . Whatever works for you is what you should go with, so try out all three before making your decision. Hmm not making that clear in the review was definitely an oversight. The magazine capacity is 9+1 and 13+1. easy to rack the slide, easy to eject the mag, and easy to operate the safety. Just be smarter than the inanimate object and all will be fine . Also, thanks to the .22 LR magazine being so slim but the PPQ .22s grip being the normal width, the pistol benefits from a sweet magwell. The solution is to replace it. What ammo do you use on your PPQ M2? I strive to improve with each trip to the shooting range, and this is the gun I plan on using for working on my pistol accuracy. It happens because the slide and barrel move into the battery. I did, which is why my PPS M2 will likely be my last Walther. So, you want to make sure that you reinstall that properly when you put the sear housing back. No trigger pull required. Don't count on finding any. Try a spare magazine, repair or replace it. (This is a reader gun review contest entry,click here for more details enter by December 19th!). Jeremy is TTAG's Deputy Editor, working mostly behind the scenes but, when he attempts to write, he focuses on comprehensive gun & gear reviews. Unfortunately it was not a pleasant experience. First off its bit picky with the ammo, which I can deal with, but is there any ammo, especially hollowpoints yall find to work well? Also, my first 100 rounds did have a few unintentional double taps. Barrel Length: 4 inches. The P22 has always come with a 1-year warranty. Not totally sure though. Feels like a pretty standard 5-6.5lbs. ThenI picked up and shot a PPQ. I hope Walther will be able to correct this in the future if the PPQ keeps up its popularity, but for now the customization options are sadly disappointing. But the PPQ is as close to perfect as I could wish for. Below mentioned are all the probable causes of failure to feed and their solutions: Magazine not seated properly: One possible reason for failure to feed is that the magazine is not seated correctly into the frame. Generally, too heavily lubricated means that you have used a lube that was good in warm weather, but now, the lube gums up the gun in cold weather. You have to replace the entire magazine to fix this problem because once the feed lips on a steel magazine bend, they dont bend back the same way. I took the three supplied magazines, added the Taylor Freelance extended base pads and started shooting. Caliber:.22 LR Ammo-sensitive. It has been sent back to Walther for a remedy.Check out the results of sending it . Prolly not your issue, but if I can't fix a gun issue, it goes back immediately. Aguila standard vel. Question of the Day: Should Disguising a Real Gun as a Toy be Illegal? Project Appleseed: Learn Marksmanship, History and a Little More. Walther PPQ M2 Q4 TAC 9mm. The gun looks and feels great, but Ive had nothing but issues shooting it. The RWS was pretty accurate, but CCI SV is close and much cheaper. Accounts of this are all over the internet. The Walther PPQ M1 is my favorite for now. It was all over. BTW there are .22 jacketed bullets, but Im not sure if any are loaded in LR. Some standard velocity works though, you just have to find out which. No difference in function. PPQ M1 .40. Here are the different types of gun malfunctions and what to do about them: Squib Load. I have one of these and the 22LR version. And i also say that once the 3 stage trigger is mastered on the P99 it operationally is better than the PPQ. Also the P22 and the M&P22 and probably others as well. Just pull the slide back slightly as with Glocks or CZs and engage the takedown lever. My strong preference is for copper plated bullets though as it limits your exposure to lead. If you love to wear hoodies? I have a Hera Arms Triarii for the 9mm and love it. A MIL-STD-1913 Picatinny rail comes standard on the dust cover. With the smaller mag it can be a bit of a handful, but I . I will never part with this firearm. No pistol has as shorter trigger pull than a 1911. I actually think if you give it a chance, youll see that it truly makes better ergonomic sense in terms of speed and keeping the muzzle towards the target. What's more, the PPQ M2 has been updated with a new traditional reversible mag release button. i guess i coulda bought a ruger, they have phenomenal customer service. While by no means am I attempting to trash GLOCK, the only advantage I can think of that the G19 has over the PPQ is availability of aftermarket parts and accessories. This trigger compared favorably to the PPQ triggers and their smooth and easy to operate triggers. Oh I also forgot Walther likes to use stepped chambers, so reloads aren't a great idea as they may stick in the chamber if they haven't been properly resized. Walther has enjoyed a reputation for producing some of the most ergonomic pistols on the market, but Id definitely say theyve broken new ground with the PPQ. The pressure generated by a .22 lr just doesnt require thicker steel. Great review. I called Walther and they said my gun is well past its intended life span. Both are mid-sized, polymer, striker-fired 9mm pistols, making them ideal for concealed carry, home defense or to serve as a go-to open carry sidearm. Id love to see a head-to- head comparo of the PPQ and the PPX to see what exactly is different about them, subjectively. Have you taken it apart and cleaned/lubed it? Whats the difference? Yeah it sucks but for you to write what you did is ridiculous. These troubleshooting tips will cover everything from failure to feed, to failure to eject. She prefers it to the Glock 19 by a huge margin. Buying one for my mom as well, who is just getting into shooting and loved the gun. I have put (my estimate) about 50,000 rounds through it. Something I love in particular is the long, flat, slide stop/slide release lever, which is larger than the GLOCK, but completely ambidextrous. Otherwise, the review is spot on, great pistol, sublime trigger, not a lot of aftermarket support although the 1913 rail helps with universal accessories, and for the most part P99 holsters work perfectly. I think Ill just keep shooting it until it finally has a [non-ammo-related] stoppage and will update the review here if/when that happens. I have several pistols, among them the PPQ. Walther destroyed their reputation with the P22, I know they produce good 9mm pistols but after the P22, I would never again trust the company. That seems to help but I think its anecdotal if not imaginary. Well get into that later, but suffice it to say that if you didnt field strip the gun you would never guess that such a big difference existed between the centerfire and rimfire models. Last winter, after 12 years of shooting this gun, the slide broke in two. The button is not ambidextrous but can be swapped quite quickly from one side to the other for right- or left-handed use. Then next day slide completely locked with Tulammo 115. The momentum of the gun dropping back after recoil can be enough to cause ones finger to bump the trigger 0.1 inch and cause it to fire. Its great to have the similar features and accessories etc, but the sights are different and the back strap is fixed. Were having some trouble with ours cycling/ejecting. I really dont want to let her go. This pistol will fit in holsters made for the centerfire PPQs. It feels very good and the reset is wonderful. Plus, theres other lead exposure from shooting bare lead bullets and it messes up the inside of your suppressor a lot more as lead will vaporize and fragment off from the hot gasses and going down the bore, etc. Press down on both sides of the take-down catch. PPQ navy has excellent ergonomics for self-defense. Plus, the build quality inspires a higher level of confidence than the zinc alloy, farmed-out-to-a-BB-gun-factory norm. Walther has a great warranty. The M2's pull weight is listed as 6.1 pounds, and it has a short, audible, and tactile reset, which is very nice. My PPQ classic 9mm is about four years old with several hundred rounds down the pipe. When the slide is in a particular position and you press the trigger, it will prevent the striker from cocking. Walther PK380 just points and shoots, very easy. To prevent this issue, get a firm platform. Favor the extractor spring diagnosis. Wish my SR-22 held a couple more rounds. Walther PPQ M2 Q5 Match 9mm . When the slide is forward, it looks like a normal barrel and you cant tell it is threaded. Its red and sticky. Gun Manufacturers would sell a lot more .22 guns if Ammo Suppliers could keep up with the demand for .22 ammo. The grip shape and dimensions will work really well for a huge range of hand sizes, and its every bit as comfortable and awesome as the real PPQ. Looks like James Bond just found a new gun! First check ammo, then magazines. On the other hand: I did try the PPQ M2 in 9mm, and it be sweeeeeet. Well, the 5 inch match or target model of this Walther PPQ M2 .22 is 419.00. Well, I have all of them Sig 1911, CZ, S&W and, of course, my favorite PPQ M2, which has fired already about 3000 bullets with no single slightest hick-up. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. In Europe this gun is as revered as any pistol out there, even HKs. I have 2 M&P 40s, full size and compact, but wanted a decent 9. Will try 25 yards next time. Then you will have the best of all worlds. I should mention that the sightsaretaller than most .22- or rimfire-specific suppressors on the market. For this malfunction is a reader gun review contest entry, click here for more details enter by December!! 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